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а зачем брали?

глубокий резерв...
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Вроде писали, напишем еще.
У нас как бы эпидемия травм была, что даже приходилось Паланку на матч ставить, вот Педя и взял на подстраховку Фобера. А Рамос эту задачу решил по своему, отправил Марсело в полузащиту и Фобер оказался не нужен.

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Ну ты немного не туда ушел ))
Причем тут то, что цель Переса сделать из фанов потребителей? Вроде не об этом шла речь. И потом в customers я так думаю у них цель глориков обратить, которые болеют то за Барсу, то за Хоффенхайм. Совершая туры по Америке и прочим Малайзиям. Если так, пусть впаривают им футболки, атрибутику, товарищеские матчи наконец. Не зря, наверное, Фло стоит на 397-м месте Форбс.
И все-таки, мне что то подсказывает, что приведенная тобою фраза вырвана из контекста. :)
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С днем рождения одну из легенд Реала!
Зидан, ты лучший!!!


p.s. чуток опоздал...
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болелы Реала требуют от своего клуба большего, отсюда и смены тренеров и игроков.

Это наверное потому что Вы в Эльклассико проигрываете на СБ со счетом 2:6


если оглянуться на несколько лет назад, то мы увидим как менялись тренеры после успешных сезонов, в которых были добыты титулы (Дон Фабио, Дель Боске) так что не нужно напоминать про это поражение. Мы его не забыли, и еще будем помнить, забыть его нам поможет победа в Ла Лиге. Ради которой и происходят изменения.

ЗЫ. Юве разве тренеров не меняет? или из Юве футболисты не уходят? Понятен гнев "болельщика всего кальчо" из-за ухода Кака, но чем мы досадили болелу Юве,,,остается только гадать. Каннаваро вам вернули, что еще надо то?!
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#5305
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а зачем брали?


гг, странный вопрос в ветке реала

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ЗЫ. Юве разве тренеров не меняет? или из Юве футболисты не уходят? Понятен гнев "болельщика всего кальчо" из-за ухода Кака, но чем мы досадили болелу Юве,,,остается только гадать. Каннаваро вам вернули, что еще надо то?!

:) Peace, черт побери! :(
Уход Кака, отразится не только на кальчо!
Каннаваро... даже и не знаю, радоваться или злиться!
Ничем не досадили! Я так! Смеха ради! :)
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Дима, Мир конечно. :) мы другого и не ожидали :(
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Дима, Мир конечно. :) мы другого и не ожидали :(

Очень рад!
Юве лучше! :)

Сообщение отредактировал D_me: 24.06.2009, 11:07:54

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НароД, вот тут некоторые измышления мои, надо было накатать драфт на эссе. То есть драфт это черновик, прошу не быть критичными по поводу грамматики... Писал за пару часиков в попыхах...А мысли касаются в основном первой эпохи Галактикос...
I. Organization Part
a. Introduction

Football is one of the greatest and popular types of sport that had appeared during whole history of humanity civilization. Now it is viewed and positioned by many people as one of the bet types of having leisure that is at the same time beneficial for health.
Being not dominant sport in United States, in Europe football became important part of social life, and I my personal opinion it is very popular nowadays because it is one of those rare fields where it is still acceptable to express nationalistic feelings. Of course football officials from UEFA and FIFA are strongly against racism that time to time appears in stadiums, but still matches between national teams among competing countries, for example as Greece and Turkey are making people to express nationalistic feelings while supporting own country.
In conditions of global market economy principle of profit maximization became dominant for majority of individuals and organizations. Commercialization entered all fields and football is not an exception. Now football is not only great time, but great business as well.
Real Madrid is Spanish football club that had won as many titles as any other team did not. 9 times European Champions League winner and 29 times Spanish champion is a team where lots of best players such as Luis Figo, Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldo, David Beckham and others had played.
In order to demonstrate Real Madrid’s positioning and power it is possible to compare it with others. Thus, Milan AC, Italian super club had won Champions League 7 time, Liverpool is 5-time winner, and others had won not more than 4 times.
Being Spanish champion for 29 times Real Madrid is much forward than their main competitor in Spain, current champion Barcelona, that has not even reached point of 20 title winnings.


b. Overview of the Company
Real Madrid as well as other football teams has several major points about their revenues, and first of them is match-day gat receipts although as it is mentioned in the article it is declining during last years. In Real Madrid’s stadium Santiago Bernabeu there are about 80.000 seats, and 58.000 out of them are being bought by season ticket holders.
Next thing about revenues if merchandising. Actually here we may see influence of globalization because if in the past in was more difficult to establish connections with people in other countries, nowadays via modern informational technologies such as Internet, majority of people even in China that is not actually football country, know that Raul is captain and symbol of Real Madrid, and Zidane was hired into official position in club administration.
Real Madrid marketing worked well in Asia, and many fans of club appeared there and in other parts of the world. As it is commonly accepted many years ago, any team is associated with its leader, major superstar. Real Madrid became team where there are lots of superstars and team leaders. Of course sport achievements of Galactico period are discussable but from point of view of marketing it was great, because for example, Real Madrid sold 480.000 soccer jerseys in 2001 after his record transfer from also great and popular team, Juventus, that is from Italy and during many years it is one of major competitors of Real on European arena (great Juventus victory over Real in November 2008 reminds as that it is impossible for one team to have absolute domination in football).
c. Management of the Company
There are some internal questions in the world of football, and one of the most significant ones is about whether money making is main issue of major one is sport achievements. As one of authorities of Real Madrid had said that: Our aim is converting Real Madrid fans into Real Madrid customers.
So actually such idea was dominating Real’s policy and if in early periods of Florentino Perez this system was working successfully, nobody worried about sport achievements of Real Madrid and actually it was becoming subject of jealousy by other teams because having high revenues team was also one of leading teams in European football.
Now we should make analysis of team’s management year by year beginning from 2000 when Florentino Perez became president of Real Madrid. What was team at that period like? Fistful, they were current Champions of Europe just winning UEFA Champions League that is major tournament for football teams. Actually they had very critical season because in the middle of Spanish Championship they were at 17th position among 20 teams, in the second half they were able to take 5th place but as it easy to understand such place does not correspond with club’s ambitions, and next controversial and sad fact that they could not even make any competition for league champions Deportivo La Coruna. But all failures of season were forgotten when team became best in Europe by winning their Spanish opponents in final game-Valencia Club De Futbol, and although there was lot of criticism because actually Valencia was positioned as much better team due to higher quality of game and team play, cup was taken by Real, and score of final game was 3-0.



Now it is time to make summary of common situation in Real
From Sport view:
Being best team of Europe reflects that ambitions and opportunities of Real are still strong, but 5th place in Spain demonstrates that team is not able to show its best performance during 38 Match days in league, and that is there is lack of team resources.
From financial view: Real Madrid Club De Futbol had bad financial performance having big debts.
In such situation Perez won presidential elections by making promise that Luis Figo, one of best stars of that period will join Real although it was player of Real’s enemy-Barcelona. It seemed as fantastic but it happened. It was world record among transfers because Real paid about 56 millions USD to Barcelona.
After that deal Real seemed as very strong because having super midfielder and super forward Raul, team could be major power in Champions League as well as in domestic league.
Of course Perez put aim to win all tournaments where Real was participating but if in Spanish league they could be the first since 1997 year, in Champions League they stopped participation on stage of semi-final by loosing to Bayern Munich. Team management did not make tragedy for this failure, and did not dismiss team coach Vicente Del Bosque.
Summer became another shocking period for world football because after transfer of Luis Figo new record was made by transferring Zinedine Zidane from Juventus for 73 USD millions, and Real actually got two super players in midfield.
Personally I would like to talk about couple of differences and why transfer of Zidane is more about marketing than transfer of Figo.
Fistful, when transfer of Figo was made, Portuguese superstar was not nominated and awarded as best player of Europe or world (he became European best player in 2000 in the late November and best player of the world in 2001). Zidane was already twice best player of the world (1998, 2000) and once best player of Europe(1998).
Secondly, football fans around the world value players that have reached success with national teams much more than the ones who did not even if gap in playing characteristics is not so extreme. It is because World Cups and European Cups among national teams are watched around the word and European Club battles are watched less. Zidane was world and European champion by becoming main hero and best player of 1998 World Cup final by scoring two goals in final against Brazil, and was leader in team that managed to repeat own success two years later. Figo with its Portuguese national team did not even participate in World Cup due to failure iin qualifying games, and nice playing Portugal lost in Euro 2000 in semi-final to France with Zidane. So in direct clash Zidane led by France became stronger than Portugal led by Figo.
Actually period of Galactico started since Zidane’s transfer, and there is information in article about revenues made on Zidane jerseys in Asia and around the world.
Next subject I would like to underline is that there is small misinformation in the article because including in Galactico list Raul, Cassilias and Roberto Carlos does not correspond with generally accepted description of Galactico. Two of these three players are still playing in Real, and until this summer during 2007-2009 team had nothing common with Galactico having absolutely different positioning of club management.
Returning to year 2001 we should see that next season became also successful because Real Madrid again became best team of Europe and Zidane became hero by scoring unbelievable goal in final game against Bayer Leverkusen. Also Real had already included in starting line-up Pavon, player who was grown up in Madrid’s youth team and was actually from Real since early years. That day Florentino Perez said his famous words : “Team will be made up from new Zidanes and new Pavons”.
Couple of years these words seemed as serious strategy but then it was nothing more than irony because when Perez was announcing this new strategy everyone was sure that Pavon was going to become new Raul very soon, but, ironically he stayed as Pavon and never became star. What about Zidanes, when team became overloaded with superstars team was not winning any cup and tournament.
Anyway, World Cup 2002 became absolute failure both for Figo and Zidane but Ronaldo who was playing football due to injury for previous several years became main star and Brazil became World Champions. Of course such superstar had to play in super team, and Real Madrid made transfer of Ronaldo for 40 USD millions from Inter Milan, and actually starting line-up of Real became unbelievable and looked like that:
Goalkeeper: Cassilias
Defenders: Roberto Carlos, Fernando Hierro, Pavon, Michel Salgado
Midfield: Ivan Helguera, Claude Makelele, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo
Forwards: Raul and Ronaldo
Lots of journalists and experts started to consider Real Madrid of that year as the best team in football history, and it was really difficult to have arguments against such opinions.


In 2003 year team won Spanish league but they were defeated by Juventus in semi-final of Champions League, and it was quite symbolic because Zidane’s new team lost to Zidane’s former team. Although one title was won by Real Madrid, club administration had great criticism toward failure in Champions League and according to top management decision coach of the team Vicente Del Bosque was replaced by new one and team captain Fernando Hierro also was kicked out of team.
That summer Real made transfer that actually became milestone and beginning of the end of that epoch because during next three years did not win any titles. But it was later. Hot summer 2003 was quite interesting for Real Madrid because journey to Asia increased team budget reserves.
First half of that season past quite successfully but in the second part of the season team did not have any successes. Everything resulted as 4th place in Spain and loss in ¼ in Champions League.
So, team where best players of the world were collected, team that was named as the best one in history of football, absolutely disappointed fans, sponsors and whole football society. Actually there were very much irony on what happened with Real.
But popularity of team did not suffer much because T-shirts with “Beckham”, “Ronaldo” and other superstars were being sold very well, and being successful financially, Real Madrid had one of the most difficult periods in own history. Next season 2004/2005 was the same, and when next one 2005/2006 was in its second half, Perez resigned by seeing that politics of “Zidanes and Pavons” completely failed and there were no chances for success.
It as end of great epoch that failed into decline after great flourishing period.
Figo left Real in 2005, next summer Zidane finished own career, and in the middle of 2006/2007 season Ronaldo was sold to AC Milan, and last galactico member, David Beckham left team in summer 2007 finally becoming champion of Spain.
D. Marketing Issues
Here success of Real during Galactico period has no doubts because having all these stars in starting line-up, team was becoming more and more popular in the world.
Merchandising was functioning greatly. For example below there is some data about increased revenues because star players are something much more than typical players, and Real Madrid sold 480,000 Zidane soccer jerseys in 2001.
But when Beckham was transferred, 350.000 Beckham jerseys were sold in Britain during one weekend.
Such achievements happened because of right and clever marketing. It was very clever strategy because Juventus could not sell Zidane soccer jerseys in such amounts, as well as Inter could not with Ronaldo’s. Here human factor plays important role because desire and wish to people to perfect things will always exist, and football is not an exception. People saw this perfect team in that Real of 2000-2006 years, and marketing is one of reasons of it.
E. Finance and Accounting Issues
In 2003 Real Madrid had revenue 192.6 millions Euro, and according to ranking team was on the 4th place. Trying to compare we may see that Manchester United had 251.4 m. Euro, and second place was held by Juventus, third by Milan. Looking to sport achievements we see that all teams were successful. Manchester United became English champion after 3rd place in 2002, Juventus became best team in Italy, and AC Milan won Champions League and became best team in Europe after 9 years. Real Madrid became Spanish champions.
Next two seasons revenues of Real Madrid continued to increase and they were 233 millions in 2003-2004 and 304 millions in 2004-2005.
One of next indicators is market values of Europe’s Leading Publicly Traded Franchises, and there is data of 2002 year, and in 2002 Real was not in top 10, while leader of the list Manchester United had 466.000 millions USD.


G. Industry and Competitive Analysis (SWOT, market dynamics).
As we may see one of main factors that define success of team in terms of marketing is superstars paying in the team, and possession of superstar does not even require sport achievements because stars are already popular people and have lots of fans. It is one of main strengths of Real Madrid, of course since team was loosing its games and tournaments in late Perez epoch, their revenues were decreasing but operating on famous names could still let Real Madrid earn big money.
Actually one month ago new second epoch of Florentino Perez has started and new galactico is being created. Best players of 2007 and 2008 years are already bought, and this strength remains.
But there is also such weakness of team as dependence of Perez’s personality. When Perez was not president of Real since 2006 February till 2009 summer, team still became champions of Spain in 2007 and 2008, but was not very successful in terms of finance. After return of Perez Real Madrid is able to buy any player in the world, but all of this dependent on personality. Also second failure while having best players in the world may cause doubts among fans (customers), and that is why being behind Barcelona in Spain and Europe may affect not only sport aspect but financial as well.
H. Observations and Findings
Actually many owners of football teams are not working on making profit but trying to win titles. Such one is Roman Abramovich who is owner of English Chelsea or Arabic owners of Manchester City. But Perez is not only football fan he is firstly great businessman and that is why Real Madrid during his period is not only football team but business as well.
I. Summary
Concentrating on marketing Real could increase own revenues very much and at the same time in early galactico period football times were won. But later in terms of football itself there was total failure while financially team still was in good conditions.
New epoch of Perez is just beginning and we will see what would be this time.
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НароД, вот тут некоторые измышления мои, надо было накатать драфт на эссе. То есть драфт это черновик, прошу не быть критичными по поводу грамматики... Писал за пару часиков в попыхах...А мысли касаются в основном первой эпохи Галактикос...
I. Organization Part
a. Introduction

...
New epoch of Perez is just beginning and we will see what would be this time.


КМЭБИ? :)

грамматику исправлять? :(
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Аха, в ламы было парится, хотя ес-нно над грамматикой надо работать оч постоянно. А так прикольно было читать кейс :)
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Кстати, сейчас пишу Analytical Review по одному артиклу(задание Harward Business School)


ну все, блатной, блатной...

Так вот, кто-то из топ администрации отвечающий за Public Relatios and Promotion of Real Madrid brand сказал следующее:
"Our aim is to convert Real Madrid fans into Real Madrid customers".


вдумайся в название позиции, ты думаешь есть люди кто в похожей должности не будут пытаться заработать денег на своих болелах?

и вообще, вырывать слова из контекста это тоже не этично.

p.s. эссе - жесть, ты бы еще обращение Гитлера в ветку антифашизма запостил...
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1. И где здесь пАнты? :) Пол-Алматы в Лондоне учится, если б написал такое ну эдак году в 93-ем, то звучало б не этично...А в году 2009...
2. Возможно, но звучит-то кощунственно как-то, или у меня слишком детское восприятие игры в мяч под названием футбол и всех вытекающех оттуда подробностей...
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Насчет вырванных слов-Они не просто врваны из текста, они все-таки отражают смысл параграфа. В общем, наверное ту страницу сюда закину...
А обращение Гитлера в ветке антифашизма было б полезной инфой для размышления. Все-таки плюрализм мнений есть одно из высших достижений демократии...А именно точка зрения с противоположной стороны помогает многое понять лучше...
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Плюрализм в футболе = погоня за славой, в качестве объекта боления для истинного болельщика есть только один клуб, в моем случае это Реал Мадрид, и чтобы мне не говорили, я никогда не начну болеть за другой клуб, например за твоих полосатиков.
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Плюрализм в футболе = погоня за славой, в качестве объекта боления для истинного болельщика есть только один клуб, в моем случае это Реал Мадрид, и чтобы мне не говорили, я никогда не начну болеть за другой клуб, например за твоих полосатиков.


Плюрализм мнений это есть возможность объеквтиного понимания положения вещей. Футбол не исключение.
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плюрализм букаф...
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прочитал этот текст. Только я не нашел аналитики. Где она? Или же это Phd пишет обзор аналитической статьи, тогда в чем смысл? Сплошная констатация фактов. В общем пересказ какой-то.

Сообщение отредактировал SacramentaL: 24.06.2009, 15:55:14

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давайте ближе к теме.
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прочитал этот текст. Только я не нашел аналитики. Где она? Или же это Phd пишет обзор аналитической статьи, тогда в чем смысл? Сплошная констатация фактов. В общем пересказ какой-то.



Согласен с критикой...Получилось скорее второе, то есть обзор...Но это пока драфт.
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