that's right. don't get too fixed on the grammar - try to "feel" not "learn" .Воин
neither I have good english, I just remember some grammar rules but do ignore them as well and do not give a damn about it.
learn them all just to forget later on!
Kazakhstan citizens speak englishДавайте попрактикуем свой English
Автор Крёстный Отец, 16.10.2003, 21:46
#742
Отправлено 10.07.2009, 17:53:23
в общем так
я тоже когда то учил англ и грамматику и тд. но потом просто забил и если ошибаюсь в процессе разговора то не парюсь. говорю бегло и с жутким акцентом (изучаю шотландскую версию ) - но мне пофик.
выучил правила чтоб потом их забыть! все равно англоговорящие люди в основном используют очень простые предложения, так что смысла не оказалось учить наизусть все грамматические времена итд
я тоже когда то учил англ и грамматику и тд. но потом просто забил и если ошибаюсь в процессе разговора то не парюсь. говорю бегло и с жутким акцентом (изучаю шотландскую версию ) - но мне пофик.
выучил правила чтоб потом их забыть! все равно англоговорящие люди в основном используют очень простые предложения, так что смысла не оказалось учить наизусть все грамматические времена итд
#746
Отправлено 10.07.2009, 18:08:45
Не грузись если не найдёшь смотри dvd на аглицком - благо их навалом, читай сайты в нете на английском, зарегься на каком-нить американском/британском форуме по интересам и общайся... и побольше, побольше Со временем придёт т.н. "чувство" языка.где бы теперь найти книжу англицкую сссрную
#749
Отправлено 11.07.2009, 00:31:17
"There are 3 rooms in the Stogovs flat..."
These words mean so much to all of us.
Who among us has not painted tits to Lena Stogova in the textbook of Starkov for 9 grade...
Nostalgie...
On se ressemble,
tu es tendre,
moi aussi...
Nostalgie...
Je pense à elle.
Je l'appelle
dans la nuit.
These words mean so much to all of us.
Who among us has not painted tits to Lena Stogova in the textbook of Starkov for 9 grade...
Nostalgie...
On se ressemble,
tu es tendre,
moi aussi...
Nostalgie...
Je pense à elle.
Je l'appelle
dans la nuit.
#751
Отправлено 11.07.2009, 10:56:52
Harper Collins "Atlas of World History" edited by Geoffrey Barraclough
Published 2003 by Borders Press. First published 1998 by Borders Press, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
p.95
...Eventually a powerful Turkic people, the Toba (Northern) Wei 386-534, succeeded in reunifying northern China. But they did so in the end by becoming completely sinicised. In the early 6th century this led to civil conflict, and their empire was again for a time split up. During these centuries, not only did the nomadic invaders adopt Chinese customs, literary culture and political institutions, but the Chinese upper class, particularly in the north-western China (Kansu, Shensi, Shansi) collaborated widely with them, and themselves intermarried with the Turks and Hsien-pi. The result was the emergence of a distinctive Sino-nomad aristocracy, many of whom spoke both Chinese and Turkic, who lived a style of life much influenced by non-Chinese customs, and among whom women played a very powerful role. It was from this aristocratic group that emerged the ruling houses of the Sui (581-617) and T'ang (618-907) dynasties, which reunified the whole of China, and extended throughout the empire the institutions and style of government which had been developed in the northern successor kingdoms to the Toba Wei.They maintained a distinctive identity as a separate group until the late T'ang.
Peter A. Boodberg "The Language of the T'o-pa Wei" Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies, Vol.1, No.2 (July 1936), pp.167-185
p.185
The T'o-pa vocabulary thus reveals itself as being essentially Turkish, with a certain admixture of Mongol elements. Except in a few cases, where pure Mongol terms can only be explained as reflecting the composite nature of the T'o-pa confederacy, seemimgly Mongol forms can always be traced back to Turkish or proto-turkish originals...
Эту статью Будберга мне прислали на англоязычном форуме по китайской истории, где была дискуссия об этническом происхождении династий Сюй и Тан:
http://www.chinahist...p...1614&st=180
Кроме того дали ссылки на две очень интересные статьи которые можно скачать:
If you are interested to read a real credible linguist who argued that the Tuoba language and all the other Xianbi languages were Turkic, then I recommend Gerard Clauson's 1960 article "Turk, Mongol, Tungus":
http://www.ihp.sinic...60/1960-105.pdf
Also interesting is Edwin Pulleyblank's 1990 article about the Turkic language of the Tiele (also known as Chile, Gaoche, or Dingling):
http://www.ihp.sinic...990/1990-21.pdf
Thomas J. Barfield "The Perilous Frontier - Nomadic Empires and China, 221 BC to AD 1757" Blackwell, Cambridge Massachusetts & Oxford UK
(definitely not a coffee table book!)
p.143
...Turkish influence within the royal line was even more pronounced in Li Shih-min's son and heir Li Ch'eng-ch'ien. He was fond of Turkish music and customs and surrounded himself with Turkish retainers. He ignored the traditional customs of Chinese behavior and used violence against anyone who offended him. He was rebuked for conduct unbecoming to an heir and stripped of his Turkish retainers. Outwardly, he then comported himself correctly. However in his palace he chose Chinese attendants that looked like Turks and spoke Turkish. He constructed a yurt in the courtyard complete with wolf's head banners. For amusement he once held a khagan's funeral and played the corpse himself surrounded by wailing mounted nomads. He often expressed the desire to move to the steppes where he could lead a less restricted life. Ch'eng-ch'ien never ruled. He plotted against his father in 643, was exiled, and died a year later.
The details of Ch'eng-ch'ien's Turkish habits were recorded in lurid details by court historians intent on proving he was unfit to rule. But his behavior even at its most bizarre, was not unusual in his times. Except for the explicit Turkish overlay, his actions followed Li family tradition... One of Li Shih-min's younger brothers, when given rule of a province, had delighted in terrorizing the capital inhabitants by shooting arrows ar people from the palace walls.
Published 2003 by Borders Press. First published 1998 by Borders Press, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
p.95
...Eventually a powerful Turkic people, the Toba (Northern) Wei 386-534, succeeded in reunifying northern China. But they did so in the end by becoming completely sinicised. In the early 6th century this led to civil conflict, and their empire was again for a time split up. During these centuries, not only did the nomadic invaders adopt Chinese customs, literary culture and political institutions, but the Chinese upper class, particularly in the north-western China (Kansu, Shensi, Shansi) collaborated widely with them, and themselves intermarried with the Turks and Hsien-pi. The result was the emergence of a distinctive Sino-nomad aristocracy, many of whom spoke both Chinese and Turkic, who lived a style of life much influenced by non-Chinese customs, and among whom women played a very powerful role. It was from this aristocratic group that emerged the ruling houses of the Sui (581-617) and T'ang (618-907) dynasties, which reunified the whole of China, and extended throughout the empire the institutions and style of government which had been developed in the northern successor kingdoms to the Toba Wei.They maintained a distinctive identity as a separate group until the late T'ang.
Peter A. Boodberg "The Language of the T'o-pa Wei" Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies, Vol.1, No.2 (July 1936), pp.167-185
p.185
The T'o-pa vocabulary thus reveals itself as being essentially Turkish, with a certain admixture of Mongol elements. Except in a few cases, where pure Mongol terms can only be explained as reflecting the composite nature of the T'o-pa confederacy, seemimgly Mongol forms can always be traced back to Turkish or proto-turkish originals...
Эту статью Будберга мне прислали на англоязычном форуме по китайской истории, где была дискуссия об этническом происхождении династий Сюй и Тан:
http://www.chinahist...p...1614&st=180
Кроме того дали ссылки на две очень интересные статьи которые можно скачать:
If you are interested to read a real credible linguist who argued that the Tuoba language and all the other Xianbi languages were Turkic, then I recommend Gerard Clauson's 1960 article "Turk, Mongol, Tungus":
http://www.ihp.sinic...60/1960-105.pdf
Also interesting is Edwin Pulleyblank's 1990 article about the Turkic language of the Tiele (also known as Chile, Gaoche, or Dingling):
http://www.ihp.sinic...990/1990-21.pdf
Thomas J. Barfield "The Perilous Frontier - Nomadic Empires and China, 221 BC to AD 1757" Blackwell, Cambridge Massachusetts & Oxford UK
(definitely not a coffee table book!)
p.143
...Turkish influence within the royal line was even more pronounced in Li Shih-min's son and heir Li Ch'eng-ch'ien. He was fond of Turkish music and customs and surrounded himself with Turkish retainers. He ignored the traditional customs of Chinese behavior and used violence against anyone who offended him. He was rebuked for conduct unbecoming to an heir and stripped of his Turkish retainers. Outwardly, he then comported himself correctly. However in his palace he chose Chinese attendants that looked like Turks and spoke Turkish. He constructed a yurt in the courtyard complete with wolf's head banners. For amusement he once held a khagan's funeral and played the corpse himself surrounded by wailing mounted nomads. He often expressed the desire to move to the steppes where he could lead a less restricted life. Ch'eng-ch'ien never ruled. He plotted against his father in 643, was exiled, and died a year later.
The details of Ch'eng-ch'ien's Turkish habits were recorded in lurid details by court historians intent on proving he was unfit to rule. But his behavior even at its most bizarre, was not unusual in his times. Except for the explicit Turkish overlay, his actions followed Li family tradition... One of Li Shih-min's younger brothers, when given rule of a province, had delighted in terrorizing the capital inhabitants by shooting arrows ar people from the palace walls.
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